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Malleable Brains's avatar

Thanks for knowing this much about real things so you can entertain us about fake things.

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MW's avatar

This post sent me down a legitimist Wikipedia rabbit hole, and I would just like to point out that this individual is neither bald nor ugly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Alphonse_de_Bourbon

Russell Sprout's avatar

Let's call Disney and have them issue a correction

Gabriele Romanacci's avatar

You should try the Italian legitimist rabbit hole, taking into account that almost every region was a state in itself.

David Arthur's avatar

In the books it's clearly modelled on Monaco, and the country moves from absolute to constitutional monarchy thanks to Mia's influence. I haven't seen the films since they were new, but I gather the adaptation took it in a direction somewhere between Liechtenstein and The Prisoner of Zenda. (Along with many other changes, such as killing off Mia's father.)

Russell Sprout's avatar

It sounds like the books get much more in the weeds with it, which squares with my otherwise baseless assumption that the movies targeted a slightly younger audience than the books

David Arthur's avatar

I think the films are inevitably more interested in what can be made visual - both in the hilarious-pratfall and ugly-duckling-to-ballgown variety - than in how monarchy actually works. And to be fair you have a lot more room to manoeuvre in ten-plus books than two screenplays.

TheChad's avatar

There were books?

Russell Sprout's avatar

Yes, and literally like 20

TheChad's avatar

Thats impressive

emily's avatar

First Mike Wazowski and now Mia Thermopolis. Doing the lord’s work.

For real though this was very fun to read

Elliot Friedland's avatar

As a long standing lover of both the Princess Diaries and Louis-Phillipe (although of course legitimist is the correct position for a true monarchist) this essay thrilled me to bits.

sneed capital investments's avatar

cachet not caché (tho they pronounced the same)

IX.R's avatar

It's things like this that make me love the internet. Thank you!

Russell Sprout's avatar

That's from right after the Hapsburgs granted Tuscany a constitution, right? Man what a wild emblem on that thing

Gabriele Romanacci's avatar

Exactly. Then, in 1859, there was a plebiscite that allowed annexation to the Regno di Sardegna (the Regno d'Italia was proclaimed in 1861).

M. D. Robertson's avatar

This was helpful. I read a biography of Alexis de Toqueville once and got bogged down in this stuff.

"France would continue to revolt through the rest of the 18th century." Maybe you meant 19th? See also note 5.

Russell Sprout's avatar

Fuck! This is the second time I’ve made that same mistake! I’ve edited it, I can’t keep living like this

Nick H's avatar

So looking at this entirely in the context of the film, it's not right-wing because its protagonists are politically to the left of the antagonists. Makes sense, and also appears to be accurate. (The two don't always go together.)

But is it "right-wing" compared to the attitudes in modern day Hollywood? It kind of has to be, just by the fact that it was made 24 years ago. I can't say for sure - it's probably been more than 20 years since I've seen it.

Russell Sprout's avatar

In some ways the franchise was extremely progressive. Like, the second film was entirely about Mia getting married to fulfill a legal obligation before assuming the throne, and then at the end Parliament strikes down the law and Mia doesn't get married. It might not be as radical as it was 20 years ago, but it's hard for me to sincerely claim a movie with that plot is "right-wing".

There's a whole 'nother essay here about whether or not The Princess Diaries is feminist, and to what degree, but that's too far outside my wheelhouse for me to say.

Nick H's avatar

Eh, I say it doesn't have to be anything besides a cute movie that pre-teen girls will enjoy. Which reminds me that I should suggest it to my girls.

Russell Sprout's avatar

That's the right spirit, I'd say.

Betsy's avatar

What a delightful essay.

Russell Sprout's avatar

Thank you as always, Betsy!

Árón Ó Maolagáin's avatar

Having met the champagne socialists of NYC, I can say that many people on the “left” have the fantasy of being identified as descendants of European royalty and consequently being made rulers of small nations.